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Update by the California ISO
September 3, 2022

The California Independent System Operator (ISO) has issued another statewide Flex Alert, calling for voluntary electricity conservation for today, Saturday, Sept. 3 from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m., due to increasing high heat, tightening energy supplies and more potential strain on the grid.
Update by the California ISO
September 2, 2022

For the third straight day, high heat and heightened demand for electricity has resulted in the California Independent System Operator (ISO) issuing a statewide call for voluntary electricity conservation. The most recent Flex Alert has been issued for today, Friday, Sept. 2., from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.
With triple-digit temperatures in much of California and the West, the power grid operator is again expecting high electricity demand, primarily from air conditioning use, and needs voluntary conservation steps to help balance supply and demand.
Flex Alerts have been resulting in some helpful conservation and grid operators and an emergency proclamation from Gov. Gavin Newsom, requested by the ISO, has also freed up some additional resources.
A Restricted Maintenance Operations (RMO) remains in place through Tuesday, Sept. 6, each day from noon to 10 p.m. The declaration orders market participants to avoid any scheduled routine maintenance during those times to ensure all available resources are in service. View the Emergency Notifications fact sheet for more information.
The Flex Alert covers that time of day when the grid is most stressed from higher demand and less solar energy. During that time, consumers are urged to conserve power by setting thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, if health permits, avoiding use of major appliances and turning off unnecessary lights.
To minimize discomfort and help with grid stability, consumers are also encouraged to pre-cool their homes and use major appliances and charge electric vehicles and electronic devices before 4 p.m., when conservation begins to become most critical.
Reducing energy use during a Flex Alert can help stabilize the power grid during tight supply conditions and prevent further emergency measures, including rotating power outages.
For information on Flex Alerts, and to find more electricity conservation tips, visit FlexAlert.org.
Update by the California ISO
September 1, 2022

The California Independent System Operator (ISO) has extended its statewide Flex Alert, calling for a second consecutive day of voluntary electricity conservation tomorrow, Thursday, Sept. 1, from 4 to 9 p.m., due to continuing extreme temperatures pushing up energy demand and tightening available power supplies. 
By California ISO
August 31, 2022

The California Independent System Operator (ISO) has issued a statewide Flex Alert, a call for voluntary electricity conservation, for today, Aug. 31 from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m., due to high temperatures pushing up energy demand and tightening available power supplies.
With excessive heat in the forecast across much of the state and Western U.S., the grid operator is expecting high electricity demand, primarily from air conditioning use, and is calling for voluntary conservation steps to help balance supply and demand.
Additional Flex Alerts are also possible through the Labor Day weekend as recordsetting temperatures are forecast across much of the West. In what’s likely to be the most extensive heat wave so far in the West this year, temperatures in Northern California are expected to be 10-20 degrees warmer than normal through Tuesday, Sept. 6.
In Southern California, temperatures are expected to be 10-18 degrees warmer than normal. Death Valley is currently forecast to peak at 126 degrees on Saturday, which would tie the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth in the month of September.
Today’s Flex Alert is scheduled between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m., when the grid is most stressed from higher demand and less solar energy. During that time, consumers are urged to conserve power by setting thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, if health permits, avoiding use of major applicances and turning off unnecessary lights. They should also avoid charging electric vehicles while the Flex Alert is in effect.
To minimize discomfort and help with grid stability, consumers are also encouraged to pre-cool their homes and use major appliances and charge electric vehicles and electronic devices before 4 p.m., when conservation begins to become most critical.
Reducing energy use during a Flex Alert can help stabilize the power grid during tight supply conditions and prevent further emergency measures, including rotating power outages.
For information on Flex Alerts, and to find more electricity conservation tips, visit FlexAlert.org.
Before 4 p.m.:
From 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.:
A Flex Alert is issued by the ISO when the electricity grid is under stress because of generation or transmission outages, or from persistent hot temperatures. View the fact sheet on Emergency Notifications on our News webpage. Follow grid conditions in real time at ISO’s Today’s Outlook, download the free ISO Today mobile app, and follow us on Twitter at @California_ISO.

Got it: "Set thermostat to 78 degrees or higher, if health permits", of course the decorative "thermostat" on my wall is just that "a box on the wall that does absolutely Nothing"!!! So best I can do is keep it dark… No need to "Charge" my bike because it's me powered! Oh, best part landlord "fixed the water" so if I was hoping to take a cold shower, that won't happen as the pressure is insufficient to keep it in shower mode. I know, just MOVE. I hate this dump…

Got it: "Set thermostat to 78 degrees or higher, if health permits", of course the decorative "thermostat" on my wall is just that "a box on the wall that does absolutely Nothing"!!! So best I can do is keep it dark… No need to "Charge" my bike because it's me powered! Oh, best part landlord "fixed the water" so if I was hoping to take a cold shower, that won't happen as the pressure is insufficient to keep it in shower mode. I know, just MOVE. I hate this dump…

We are asked to not use major appliances, charge electric vehicles and keep unnecessary lights off from 4-9pm. Keep in mind this is the time period when many are arriving home from work, cooking dinner, doing homework, laundry and plugging in EVs for the following day. It is unrealistic that this state believes we should live in all electric houses and only drive EVs, when the grid cannot handle the current situation.

We are asked to not use major appliances, charge electric vehicles and keep unnecessary lights off from 4-9pm. Keep in mind this is the time period when many are arriving home from work, cooking dinner, doing homework, laundry and plugging in EVs for the following day. It is unrealistic that this state believes we should live in all electric houses and only drive EVs, when the grid cannot handle the current situation.

2:59 – "It is unrealistic that this state believes we should live in all electric houses and only drive EVs, when the grid cannot handle the current situation." – I'm a huge supporter of green, renewable energy and shifting away from fossil fuels, but I agree 100% with this statement. I think it's foolish at this point for the state of CA to pretend we can rely on electric cars while at the same time making demands such as this.

FIX THE GRID! We are one of the largest economies in the world, yet our power infrastructure can't handle wind or the heat?

2:59 – "It is unrealistic that this state believes we should live in all electric houses and only drive EVs, when the grid cannot handle the current situation." – I'm a huge supporter of green, renewable energy and shifting away from fossil fuels, but I agree 100% with this statement. I think it's foolish at this point for the state of CA to pretend we can rely on electric cars while at the same time making demands such as this.
FIX THE GRID! We are one of the largest economies in the world, yet our power infrastructure can't handle wind or the heat?

The state also needs to guarantee that if we put solar panels on our roofs we won’t be later subject to penalty payments because Edison and PG&E stockholders aren’t getting high enough dividends.

The state also needs to guarantee that if we put solar panels on our roofs we won’t be later subject to penalty payments because Edison and PG&E stockholders aren’t getting high enough dividends.

So, we can't meet our current electric loads yet we want to shut down Diablo Canyon?
Makes no sense.

So, we can't meet our current electric loads yet we want to shut down Diablo Canyon?
Makes no sense.

Do you know how to program your car to charge during off peak hours? If you set it to start charging at midnight you should be fine.

Do you know how to program your car to charge during off peak hours? If you set it to start charging at midnight you should be fine.

Agreed Alex. But when talking about EV's for everyone, you have to solve the problem at the lowest common denominator

Agreed Alex. But when talking about EV's for everyone, you have to solve the problem at the lowest common denominator

hold up here, "the grid cant handle the current situation" ? odd, every other time frame NOT peak. it handles it fine, we have excess actually. I think there is some misguided anger here, EVERYONE has to change, not just the state of california officials. EVERYONE. stop hiding in the sand, you USE at peak hours. so stop using at peak hours! TOU ( TIME OF USE is amazing, check it out! )

its not hard, honestly completely NOT hard to curb your peak hour useage. which is 4-9pm. Charge your electric car at 10pm. GASP! also NOT rocket science and not hard.

lots of crying over personal accountability. "Someone elses problem, someone elses fault. I dont need to change." thats all im reading here.

hold up here, "the grid cant handle the current situation" ? odd, every other time frame NOT peak. it handles it fine, we have excess actually. I think there is some misguided anger here, EVERYONE has to change, not just the state of california officials. EVERYONE. stop hiding in the sand, you USE at peak hours. so stop using at peak hours! TOU ( TIME OF USE is amazing, check it out! )
its not hard, honestly completely NOT hard to curb your peak hour useage. which is 4-9pm. Charge your electric car at 10pm. GASP! also NOT rocket science and not hard.
lots of crying over personal accountability. "Someone elses problem, someone elses fault. I dont need to change." thats all im reading here.

If you’re going to get an EV, then you better look at getting a generator! I understand california is trying to outlaw those too, but they’re still pretty easy to get. The new EV pickups would make an excellent choice because they have the capacity to carry a generator, making longer trips and driving during increasingly frequent power outages more feasible. Not sure what the situation is regarding a tow package and trailer for a tesla to haul a generator. In any case, I’ll stick to my traditional combustion engine vehicles. Nothing beats being able to fill the tank in minutes, drive hundreds of miles in a single day, and being able to keep a couple cans of spare fuel on hand in case of emergencies.

If you’re going to get an EV, then you better look at getting a generator! I understand california is trying to outlaw those too, but they’re still pretty easy to get. The new EV pickups would make an excellent choice because they have the capacity to carry a generator, making longer trips and driving during increasingly frequent power outages more feasible. Not sure what the situation is regarding a tow package and trailer for a tesla to haul a generator. In any case, I’ll stick to my traditional combustion engine vehicles. Nothing beats being able to fill the tank in minutes, drive hundreds of miles in a single day, and being able to keep a couple cans of spare fuel on hand in case of emergencies.

Right. Let's just keep digging the hole deeper.

Very safe and sane hauling gas cans around in a smog machine. And what makes you think you can pump gas without electricity?

Right. Let's just keep digging the hole deeper.
Very safe and sane hauling gas cans around in a smog machine. And what makes you think you can pump gas without electricity?

@3:56

Or, you could do the smart thing and go solar with an EV, and not rely on the macrogrid at all. But, you're not interested in smart, obviously.

@3:56
Or, you could do the smart thing and go solar with an EV, and not rely on the macrogrid at all. But, you're not interested in smart, obviously.

CHIP – since when is CA trying to ban generators?

CHIP – since when is CA trying to ban generators?

The ban applies only to gasoline powered generators, and goes into effect in 2028. They are big polluters.

The ban applies only to gasoline powered generators, and goes into effect in 2028. They are big polluters.

I don’t need electricity to fill my tank using a jerry can, as long as gravity is still on Im filling up and I can do it in minutes. You can’t charge a battery that fast under any circumstances. I can drive on the order of 800 miles or more in a single day if I choose to push it, you cant do that in an EV under any circumstances. I can bring a couple jerry cans with me and extend the range of my car by hundreds of miles if I wish. That simply can’t be done with an EV. My car weighs around half of what an EV weighs, so I use way less energy when I drive. EVs are extremely heavy on account of the batteries and require much more energy to operate. Long after all the Tesla’s are scrapped and their toxic dead batteries are sequestered away somewhere to prevent environmental contamination, I’ll pull my decades old car into the gas station fill it up.

I don’t need electricity to fill my tank using a jerry can, as long as gravity is still on Im filling up and I can do it in minutes. You can’t charge a battery that fast under any circumstances. I can drive on the order of 800 miles or more in a single day if I choose to push it, you cant do that in an EV under any circumstances. I can bring a couple jerry cans with me and extend the range of my car by hundreds of miles if I wish. That simply can’t be done with an EV. My car weighs around half of what an EV weighs, so I use way less energy when I drive. EVs are extremely heavy on account of the batteries and require much more energy to operate. Long after all the Tesla’s are scrapped and their toxic dead batteries are sequestered away somewhere to prevent environmental contamination, I’ll pull my decades old car into the gas station fill it up.

4:17 – I didn't know that, thanks!

4:17 – I didn't know that, thanks!

CARB does not allow the sale of many generators including the very efficient Honda 2200 inverter generator that I use to keep the refer going every time the power goes out.

CARB does not allow the sale of many generators including the very efficient Honda 2200 inverter generator that I use to keep the refer going every time the power goes out.

I’m looking forward to the Aptera and other EVs that have solar panels right on the vehicle. Some might become available in the next couple years. They’d be great for southern Californians running errands around town. Probably not good for long distance travel.

I’m looking forward to the Aptera and other EVs that have solar panels right on the vehicle. Some might become available in the next couple years. They’d be great for southern Californians running errands around town. Probably not good for long distance travel.

Nothing beats being a self-centered sociopath unconcerned with the effects of one's actions.

"My car weighs around half of what an EV weighs" — also a liar; EVs are heavier, but not nearly by a factor of 2. And battery reuse and recycling is a matter of ongoing research and legislation. Chip always cherrypicks madly, hypocritically ignoring the negatives of his own fossil fuel preferences and treating the problems of renewables as if they were fixed in stone.

Nothing beats being a self-centered sociopath unconcerned with the effects of one's actions.
"My car weighs around half of what an EV weighs" — also a liar; EVs are heavier, but not nearly by a factor of 2. And battery reuse and recycling is a matter of ongoing research and legislation. Chip always cherrypicks madly, hypocritically ignoring the negatives of his own fossil fuel preferences and treating the problems of renewables as if they were fixed in stone.

@4:28 – You seem to think ICE engines are efficient. Not so. Most of the energy in your toxic fuel is wasted to produce heat and air pollution, and heat up the atmosphere. You FUDdiness is showing.

@4:28 – You seem to think ICE engines are efficient. Not so. Most of the energy in your toxic fuel is wasted to produce heat and air pollution, and heat up the atmosphere. You FUDdiness is showing.

Chip Repugs always have been deep in big oil pockets. We get it. You'll never change. I bet you still use kerosene lanterns too – and have a mule for snow days.

Chip Repugs always have been deep in big oil pockets. We get it. You'll never change. I bet you still use kerosene lanterns too – and have a mule for snow days.

Yes – there is no such thing as progress. Look backward, not forward. What year do repbulicans want to go back to in order to make america great again in the maga time machine? Pre WW2?

Yes – there is no such thing as progress. Look backward, not forward. What year do repbulicans want to go back to in order to make america great again in the maga time machine? Pre WW2?

I’m not the one dismantling modern infrastructure and reverting to the old days. I am advocating for keeping our existing infrastructure, improving on it, and elevating the standard of living. It is the push for “green” energy that will cause people to go back to burning oil lamps for light and wood fires to keep warm once the power goes out. If you drive an EV, you might also find yourself riding a mule when you can’t charge it.

I’m not the one dismantling modern infrastructure and reverting to the old days. I am advocating for keeping our existing infrastructure, improving on it, and elevating the standard of living. It is the push for “green” energy that will cause people to go back to burning oil lamps for light and wood fires to keep warm once the power goes out. If you drive an EV, you might also find yourself riding a mule when you can’t charge it.

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"And battery reuse and recycling is a matter of ongoing research and legislation. " True, just like nuclear waste… Still ongoing research and legislation all these years later.

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"And battery reuse and recycling is a matter of ongoing research and legislation. " True, just like nuclear waste… Still ongoing research and legislation all these years later.

Chip, LOL, how many times have you had to do any of the things you are talking about?

Probably….never.

But keep dreaming about the apocalypse.

Chip, LOL, how many times have you had to do any of the things you are talking about?
Probably….never.
But keep dreaming about the apocalypse.

Gas stations have generators?
Some generators run on natural gas?

Gas stations have generators?
Some generators run on natural gas?

Says a self centered hypocrite.
Tesla weighs in at about 5300 lbs.
By contrast my 911 weighs just in at 3000 lbs.
Your right but doesn't make the other guy wrong.
3 people get away with verbal murder on this site.
In contrast just an average person gets berated by some perceived wrong that hasn't happened but you get to use words that would have you tossed off any other site.
I have been in Energy management before most of you born and longer than you fools who think you know "science".
Same folks were sure that covid would kill MILLIONS.(1.04m total in US)
See how that works?.
Which of course didn't happen in reality but keep drinking whatever it is they serve zero experience political know it all's at the rally.

Says a self centered hypocrite.
Tesla weighs in at about 5300 lbs.
By contrast my 911 weighs just in at 3000 lbs.
Your right but doesn't make the other guy wrong.
3 people get away with verbal murder on this site.
In contrast just an average person gets berated by some perceived wrong that hasn't happened but you get to use words that would have you tossed off any other site.
I have been in Energy management before most of you born and longer than you fools who think you know "science".
Same folks were sure that covid would kill MILLIONS.(1.04m total in US)
See how that works?.
Which of course didn't happen in reality but keep drinking whatever it is they serve zero experience political know it all's at the rally.

SACJON What is your trusted source of news? I will forward you their news flash from a year ago. Generators got lumped in with lawnmowers ,chainsaws and other equipment that uses a small ICE.

SACJON What is your trusted source of news? I will forward you their news flash from a year ago. Generators got lumped in with lawnmowers ,chainsaws and other equipment that uses a small ICE.

SAIL- as I said earlier, "4:17 – I didn't know that, thanks!"

SAIL- as I said earlier, "4:17 – I didn't know that, thanks!"

Alex, he's a fear mongering forest raking MAGA follower…what do you expect?

Alex, he's a fear mongering forest raking MAGA follower…what do you expect?

the only thing i have read is that gas powered CARS are banned from being sold by 2035 in full. the reduction in new car sales starts immediately and progresses each year, and by 2035 100% of cars sold in CA will be hybrid, electric. Didn't see anything about ALL gas powered engines, just cars.

the only thing i have read is that gas powered CARS are banned from being sold by 2035 in full. the reduction in new car sales starts immediately and progresses each year, and by 2035 100% of cars sold in CA will be hybrid, electric. Didn't see anything about ALL gas powered engines, just cars.

Chip, I would be laughing, but your comment is so true. When CA bans gas stations we will be forced to move. I hear CA will be banning generators in 2028? What to do without electricity or backup generators?

Chip, I would be laughing, but your comment is so true. When CA bans gas stations we will be forced to move. I hear CA will be banning generators in 2028? What to do without electricity or backup generators?

Chico, you're an expert in energy management but apparently you don't know how to do the most basic research on a topic.

My Tesla model 3 long range weighs in at about 3800.

You can cherry pick the heaviest vehicle out there if you want, but that means you're sort of intentionally FOS.

Chico, you're an expert in energy management but apparently you don't know how to do the most basic research on a topic.
My Tesla model 3 long range weighs in at about 3800.
You can cherry pick the heaviest vehicle out there if you want, but that means you're sort of intentionally FOS.

Also, the current 911 weighs in at 3800 pounds, exactly my Model 3, also the Porsche Cayenne weighs in at about 5,000 pounds, so why aren't you attacking people who own those cars?

I think we know why…LOL

Also, the current 911 weighs in at 3800 pounds, exactly my Model 3, also the Porsche Cayenne weighs in at about 5,000 pounds, so why aren't you attacking people who own those cars?
I think we know why…LOL

Sorry Alex- I just used the googlator and that popped up.
My other vehicles all weigh more that the 911.
Not really what this is about so I beg your pardon.

Sorry Alex- I just used the googlator and that popped up.
My other vehicles all weigh more that the 911.
Not really what this is about so I beg your pardon.

The carbon fantasy pushers here are paltering, as usual. Gasoline powered generators, beyond the gross polluters already banned, will be banned starting in 2028.

Of course there are generators not fueled by gasoline, but spreading FUD requires you to ignore that.

The carbon fantasy pushers here are paltering, as usual. Gasoline powered generators, beyond the gross polluters already banned, will be banned starting in 2028.
Of course there are generators not fueled by gasoline, but spreading FUD requires you to ignore that.

I think the Cayenne is a fugly pile.
You know Porches like you know "Science"!
Why drive a tesla?
They are one of the dirtiest vehicles from production thru grave.
Elon Musk doesn't like people like you and yet you sell out your philosophy in a moment to score some internet points.
Stay on subject troll.

I think the Cayenne is a fugly pile.
You know Porches like you know "Science"!
Why drive a tesla?
They are one of the dirtiest vehicles from production thru grave.
Elon Musk doesn't like people like you and yet you sell out your philosophy in a moment to score some internet points.
Stay on subject troll.

10:26 _ I'm sure you're well acquainted with porches. When it comes to Porsches, though, not so much, as is apparently true for many subjects you pontificate on.

10:26 _ I'm sure you're well acquainted with porches. When it comes to Porsches, though, not so much, as is apparently true for many subjects you pontificate on.

Shutdown nuclear and fossil fuel power generation plants. Vigorously eliminate ICE engines for vehicles, lawn mowers and everything else. Forbid natural gas for home heat and cooking. Provide vigorous subsidies for EVs. Don't promote national sources for rare earth materials or solar panel manufacture. And don't invest in a more robust electrical infrastructure. Yeah, no one could have possibly predicted this scenario and to suggest otherwise is to believe conspiracy theories.

Shutdown nuclear and fossil fuel power generation plants. Vigorously eliminate ICE engines for vehicles, lawn mowers and everything else. Forbid natural gas for home heat and cooking. Provide vigorous subsidies for EVs. Don't promote national sources for rare earth materials or solar panel manufacture. And don't invest in a more robust electrical infrastructure. Yeah, no one could have possibly predicted this scenario and to suggest otherwise is to believe conspiracy theories.

Looks like you're not following the news about recent federal legislative packages that have passed. But, since your goal is spreading FUD, you would ignore those, anyway.

Looks like you're not following the news about recent federal legislative packages that have passed. But, since your goal is spreading FUD, you would ignore those, anyway.

We're just out here living in the real world. Hard not to be sarcastic and not affected much by perspectives of SB-rich-white-guy-bubbles. I presuppose that you should enjoy leaning into the Wired review of the Rivian. Smells like FUD. Enjoy and good night!

We're just out here living in the real world. Hard not to be sarcastic and not affected much by perspectives of SB-rich-white-guy-bubbles. I presuppose that you should enjoy leaning into the Wired review of the Rivian. Smells like FUD. Enjoy and good night!

Appropriate moniker.

Appropriate moniker.

so now it's a race thing? i know several SB-rich-hispanic-guys and SB-rich-asian-guys and quite a few SB-rich-black-guys, a couple of my SB-rich-Sri lankan-guys too….like any of that matters. keep race out of this please.

so now it's a race thing? i know several SB-rich-hispanic-guys and SB-rich-asian-guys and quite a few SB-rich-black-guys, a couple of my SB-rich-Sri lankan-guys too….like any of that matters. keep race out of this please.

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/
This is actually quite scary. But, hey, as long as it's not in California right?

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/
This is actually quite scary. But, hey, as long as it's not in California right?

3:46 – No surprise that you're pushing carbon propaganda.
From SourceWatch:

The Institute for Energy Research (IER), founded in 1989 from a predecessor non-profit organization registered by Charles G. Koch and Robert L. Bradley Jr., advocates positions on environmental issues including deregulation of utilities, climate change denial, and claims that conventional energy sources are virtually limitless.

It is a member of the Sustainable Development Network. The IER's President was formerly Director of Public Relations Policy at Enron.

IER has been established as a 501(c)(3) non-profit group. It is a "partner" organization of the American Energy Alliance, a 501c4 organization which states that it is the "grassroots arm" of IER. AEA states that, by "communicating IER’s decades of scholarly research to the grassroots, AEA will empower citizens with facts so that people who believe in freedom can reclaim the moral high ground in the national public policy debates in the energy and environmental arena." AEA states that its aim is to "create a climate that encourages the advancement of free market energy policies" and in particular ensure drilling for oil is allowed in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and in US coastal waters.

3:46 – No surprise that you're pushing carbon propaganda.
From SourceWatch:
The Institute for Energy Research (IER), founded in 1989 from a predecessor non-profit organization registered by Charles G. Koch and Robert L. Bradley Jr., advocates positions on environmental issues including deregulation of utilities, climate change denial, and claims that conventional energy sources are virtually limitless.
It is a member of the Sustainable Development Network. The IER's President was formerly Director of Public Relations Policy at Enron.
IER has been established as a 501(c)(3) non-profit group. It is a "partner" organization of the American Energy Alliance, a 501c4 organization which states that it is the "grassroots arm" of IER. AEA states that, by "communicating IER’s decades of scholarly research to the grassroots, AEA will empower citizens with facts so that people who believe in freedom can reclaim the moral high ground in the national public policy debates in the energy and environmental arena." AEA states that its aim is to "create a climate that encourages the advancement of free market energy policies" and in particular ensure drilling for oil is allowed in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and in US coastal waters.

We have running water at least – unlike Mississippi with failed Jim Crow era infrastructure. We have electricity in the winter – unlike Texas who is working off an antiquated grid with multiple single points of failure. But yes – repuglicans insert your complaints now about how horrible California is even though you continue to live here.

We have running water at least – unlike Mississippi with failed Jim Crow era infrastructure. We have electricity in the winter – unlike Texas who is working off an antiquated grid with multiple single points of failure. But yes – repuglicans insert your complaints now about how horrible California is even though you continue to live here.

"We have running water at least…" Now THAT is a 3rd world perspective! There does not seem to be much hope for US infrastructure or, from energy/food perspectives, that of most of the World. Trickle up economics are almost complete while the people fight Left vs Right vs everyone else amongst themselves. Few countries seem to have this together, Uruguay being one (98% renewable electric w/ no shortages). We actually use electric heat/cool, electric hot water, pump our own water and our total power bill still averages only $200/month) Our SB City water bill was often over $200/mo! While not easy to implement, there are quality alternatives in life.

"We have running water at least…" Now THAT is a 3rd world perspective! There does not seem to be much hope for US infrastructure or, from energy/food perspectives, that of most of the World. Trickle up economics are almost complete while the people fight Left vs Right vs everyone else amongst themselves. Few countries seem to have this together, Uruguay being one (98% renewable electric w/ no shortages). We actually use electric heat/cool, electric hot water, pump our own water and our total power bill still averages only $200/month) Our SB City water bill was often over $200/mo! While not easy to implement, there are quality alternatives in life.

Correct – Mississippi is third world – because their leaders don't have a problem with citizens not having running water.

Correct – Mississippi is third world – because their leaders don't have a problem with citizens not having running water.

A definition of a 3rd world country is one that primarily, imports finished goods and exports raw materials. The US achieved this distinction decades ago, so no need to go to Mississippi to find 3rd World.

A definition of a 3rd world country is one that primarily, imports finished goods and exports raw materials. The US achieved this distinction decades ago, so no need to go to Mississippi to find 3rd World.

How are all the electric cars going to charge up…. What about after 2035…? How will our modern society cope without have A/C…? Dependency on Chinese sourced lithium batteries, Solar Panels , Wind turbine components will raise our standard of living…? For the rich? Who exactly can afford this RUSH into "Green Sustainability" without fossil fuel / petroleum usage…? The Chinese are continuing to build COAL plants, mine lithium and all the components needed to supply these "Green mandates" in the West. Germany and Western Europe are already feeling the pain of limited Natural Gas…. WHY are we as a society, taking 10 steps backwards? Bring back Nuclear Power Plants . Petroleum manufacturing AND incorporate "Sustainable Energy" WE are not at the point where Wind Machines and solar can generate enough power to keep people warm in the winter, cool in the summer and Charge electric vehicles….

How are all the electric cars going to charge up…. What about after 2035…? How will our modern society cope without have A/C…? Dependency on Chinese sourced lithium batteries, Solar Panels , Wind turbine components will raise our standard of living…? For the rich? Who exactly can afford this RUSH into "Green Sustainability" without fossil fuel / petroleum usage…? The Chinese are continuing to build COAL plants, mine lithium and all the components needed to supply these "Green mandates" in the West. Germany and Western Europe are already feeling the pain of limited Natural Gas…. WHY are we as a society, taking 10 steps backwards? Bring back Nuclear Power Plants . Petroleum manufacturing AND incorporate "Sustainable Energy" WE are not at the point where Wind Machines and solar can generate enough power to keep people warm in the winter, cool in the summer and Charge electric vehicles….

you know solar subsidies of up to 20%! of the cost of the solar and ANY repairs to the roof or electrical DURING install, have been available for years to all residents. I have personally helped many people get this credit and its amazing. not just for the rich, if you look into it. Its actually more feasible than you think.

you know solar subsidies of up to 20%! of the cost of the solar and ANY repairs to the roof or electrical DURING install, have been available for years to all residents. I have personally helped many people get this credit and its amazing. not just for the rich, if you look into it. Its actually more feasible than you think.

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